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Dear All,

I have been revisiting the issue of salvage radiation therapy (RT) since Ted just began this treatment last week.  There isn’t a lot of good data (only “retrospective” data) about this, so when I first tackled this subject a few months ago I decided I was better off “reading the tea leaves”.  But it seems that I may have overlooked some things (been too pessimistic!).

One thing that shocked me about reading this was: We know there’s a lot of stuff about PC that we don’t know.  But I realize that there is critical info that we do know about, which, for some reason, is not being incorporated into clinical practice.

What I’ve found out is:

* Experts agree that post-RP radiotherapy is “underutilized”

* There is some evidence that RT may be effective even in men with advanced disease.

* Post-op RT should be started ASAP.  It can make a big difference if the patient starts radiotherapy when their PSA is at .5 vs. 1.0, vs. 2.0.  The differences can be really significant.

Also, the factors that have previously been considered critical for RT success may in fact not be so.  MSK has recently developed a nomogram that is supposed to accurately predict the success of salvage radiotherapy (in the med lit they call this “sRT”).  (Journal of Clinical Oncology, 2006 ASCO Annual Mtg.  “Predicting the outcome of sRT for recurrent PC after RP”, by Stephenson, Scardino et al.)

And maybe “prophylactic RT” (adjuvant), should be done as a matter of course on high- and even medium-risk men.  Salvage RT is also thought to work, but the results are not that clear.

There is a consensus that if RT is going to be given, it should be started sooner than later.  *So why is it standard medical advice after a positive PSA to advise the patient to wait 6 mos. before doing anything?  It just doesn’t make sense.

When Ted’s PSA started to rise back in January, I was advised by some “elders” online to seek help immediately, i.e., to visit some oncologists.  We did this, even though it was “AMA” (Against Medical Advice).  I am glad for that insider info, but not everybody has access to it.  And even though we started early, it took 5 mos. until T. actually got the RT.  (Getting records, consultations, switching his insurance, etc.)

The first person we saw was Dr. Peter Schiff at Columbia Presb., a highly-rated radiation oncologist.  I was surprised when he told Ted, who had a PSA of .14 at the time, that he should begin RT as soon as possible.  Not this minute, necessarily, but within a couple of weeks.  Well, I thought I was smarter than the doctor: it seemed that he was “rushing to judgment”.  Turns out he was right.

I have a stack of papers on this subject in front of me, which I have reviewed carefully, but mostly I will quote from, a medical reference source, which I know to be reliable and current.  Also, what they say is consistent with what I’ve read. 

“Treatment of Post-Prostatectomy Recurrences”:

A number of retrospective comparative series have examined the potential benefit to adjuvant radiotherapy.

*Unselected series have suggested biochemical control rates in the combined surgery plus adjuvant radiotherapy cases of 52-93%, compared to surgery only rates of 25-74%. More concordant results were seen in two published matched pair analyses which showed surgery only freedom from biochemical failure (FFbF) of 55-59% which was increased to 88-89% with the addition of radiotherapy.”

Also noted: “Grade 3 toxicity” and urinary incontinence problems were not increased by the addition of RT.

This combination of randomised trial data (amounting to level 1 evidence) suggest that there is an unequivocal capacity for post-RRP adjuvant radiotherapy to approximately halve the chance of having a future PSA-detectable tumour recurrence in pT3 / margin positive patients, while maintaining a low level of toxicity. More maturity to the data is awaited to determine the overall impact this has on distant metastases or survival.

Salvage radiotherapy

The role of salvage radiotherapy is far less clearly defined, with no prospective studies of efficacy or toxicity to guide decisions. Retrospective analyses suggest that the PSA level prior to initiating the salvage radiotherapy is strongly predictive of outcome, with some series suggesting that treatment at PSA levels below 1 ng/mL do substantially better than those above this level. This PSA effect has been shown to be independent of the PSA doubling time, potentially indicating that these patients benefit from early referral for treatment regardless of PSA dynamics.”

Indeed, one series demonstrated an independent benefit to the use of immediate adjuvant therapy rather than waiting until requiring salvage.

Larger series typically show a 5 year biochemical control rate in the order of 50% typically (501, 505), and over 70% for those with a pre-treatment PSA of less than 1 ng/mL and an operative Gleason score of 7 or lower (502).”

“Despite the apparent ability to provide a substantial chance for long-term control in relapsed men, there is concerning data that post-RRP radiotherapy may be under-utilised. Only 55% and the 38% of the biochemical failures in the observation arms of the EORTC and SWOG randomised trials respectively underwent potentially curative salvage radiotherapy . . . 

Take care and bear with me while I learn to blog.


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  1. Lcoop November 9, 2010 at 7:14 am

    Leah, Thanks for the blog. It has already been helpful to me. My husband had rp 11 ( yes, 11) years ago. He is now a young, fit 56. Suddenly about a year ago his psa began to rise but remained quite low. However it has now reached .16 and we think it is time to get srt. We are thinking of coming to NYC for consultation and possibly treatment, although we live in OK. One question no one wants to discuss with us it the possibility of ED with salvage radiation. Do you have info? My understanding is that it comes on slowly over time after the treatment. We know it is no reason not to go ahead with treatment but sex is both icing and glue for us. We just want to know what our true prognosis is. Also, do you have info regarding treatment outcomes and choice of radiologists/site of services?

  2. Leah November 13, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    I am so sorry that you have had a “return visit” of the PC after all this time, but I think your husband will be fine. Hope so.

    As far as your questions, I have to stress that I have no medical credentials, I have just followed this subject with interest. The experts seem to think salvage rad if done should be done as early as posssible. You don’t mention if the .16 was your husband’s first positive PSA or if there was a succession of rises. Some people wait ’til they see a pattern. We did not. I’m not sure we did the right thing, but we chose to initiate salvage rad when my husband’s PSA was .17. (.12, .14, .17). But I must tell you I feel good about it.

    Every case is different, but the salvage radiation could damage your sex life. I would suggest you read Dr. John Mulhall’s book, “Saving Your Sex Life…” (can’t remember the whole title.) This should give you some answerws.

    I don’t know why you’d want to come to NY for treatment because you are near MD Anderson, which is #1 in the rankings. I don’t have a name for you, but you can ask around in the group called ebrt (external beam radiation therapy). Another starting point might be’s “America’s Top Doctors for Cancer”.

    About outcomes: I’m not sure how much accurate info there is out there. You just have to do your best to research doctors and hospitals.

    All the best to you and your husband.

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