A PSA only recurrence (biochemical failure) post a primary treatment for prostate cancer is relatively common, approximately 30% of those treated! A biochemical failure is characterized a return of increasing PSA without any other evidence of cancer on a scan. Failure can happen immediately after primary treatment has been completed or many years after the completion of treatment.
Although it is common to treat a biochemical failure both aggressively and immediately after failure, it is not very clear if this response actually extends life. A biochemical recurrence does not create clinical symptoms or directly lead to prostate cancer mortality. The quality of life and eventual mortality from prostate cancer only comes from disease progression. With this in min, we need to ask if it is at all beneficial to treat a biochemical recurrence when it is first detected or is it better to just escalate aggressive monitoring for disease progression before starting active treatment?
Uchio et al. performed a study using 623 veterans who had been diagnosed with prostate cancer between 1991 to 1995. All of the subject men had either a radical prostatectomy or radiation therapy as a primary treatment.
Major outcome measures were biochemical recurrence which was defined as a PSA level of > 0.4 ng/ml for men treated with surgery or as the PSA nadir +2 ng/ml for men treated with radiation therapy and prostate cancer mortality with a 16 year follow-up (through 2006).
At the end of the follow up period:
1- 387/623 men (62 percent) had died
2- 48/387 deaths (12 percent) were due to prostate cancer
Of the men who received surgery (n = 225) the cumulative incidence of biochemical recurrence was:
1- 35 percent at 5 years of follow-up
2- 37 percent at 10 years of follow-up
3- 37 percent at 15 years of follow-up
The prostate cancer-specific mortality among men who failed surgery (n = 81) was:
1- 3 percent at 5 years of follow-up
2- 11 percent at 10 years of follow-up
3- 21 percent at 15 years of follow-up
The cumulative incidence of biochemical recurrence among the men receiving radiation therapy (n = 398) was:
1- 35 percent at 5 years of follow-up
2- 46 percent at 10 years of follow-up
3- 48 percent at 15 years of follow-up
The prostate cancer-specific mortality among men who failed radiation therapy (n = 161) was:
1- 11 percent at 5 years of follow-up
2- 20 percent at 10 years of follow-up
3- 42 percent at 15 years of follow-up
This study found that a biochemical recurrence was associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer specific mortality, even though the individual probability of this outcome was relatively low. Biochemical recurrences are associated with an increased risk for prostate cancer-specific death, but only a minority of men will go on to die from prostate cancer.
Since the cohort in this study were older men, it is not unreasonable to assume that they also had other co-morbidity issues, so we are unable to make any conclusions about risk factors that would be faced by younger men who experience a biochemical recurrence.
These findings point out that we need to develop better strategies for both defining and managing treatment failure in prostate cancer.
Just like when initial the initial diagnosis of prostate cancer is made, there are many factors that must be weighted when deciding whether to treat a biochemical recurrence. Factors such as:
1- the PSA doubling time and velocity
2- the over all health of the man
3- the age of the man
We still have a lot to learn about when to treat a biochemical failure and when to just be more conservative and work to preserve the quality of life in our treatment approach.
Joel T Nowak, M.A., M.S.W.
I have a general question re recurrence. My PSA went from 0.0 to 0.1 less than 2 years after I had surgery and stayed at 0.1 until a test I just had days ago, where it went to 0.18 at just under 2 years. To me this means that recurrence is inevitable and it’s just a matter of how long. But, I’m not not sure if juch a long stretch between risings could mean it still could be residual begnign tissue. Ever hear of a situation like this?
Thanks,
Jim
Jim,
There are a lot of factors that could be in play in your situation. The first issue, before you consider anything else, is to be sure that the reagents used in your PSA tests have always been the same. Comparing the results from a PSA test with different reagents will not yield reliable information. You should get copies of the testing reports and note what reagent was used in each test. If they are different then have the test re-done with one of the reagents.
If the reagents that were used were the same then you will need to stay even more vigilant in monitoring any PSA changes. You should then be calculating the PSA velocity (see the link on the blog). If the PSA does exceed .2 you should see an oncologist who treats men with recurrent prostate cancer to explore your options. – Joel
I have had a similar situation where after RP in 2002 an increase in PSA occurred in 2006 from <0.05 to 0.10 and has not stopped since. Over the course of the last 4 years I have had Lupron, Casodex, radiation for localized recurrence and now radiation to the scapular and discs in the thoracic region. Next step is chemo. PSA bounced around from 0.10 to 8.4 and back down to 0.31 now up to 13.29 as of Dec.,8 2010. I would advise you to seek a medical oncologist who's specialty is recurrent prostate cancer. Do not wait!!!!! You need to be monitored. I wish you well and hope it is a blunder in the test.
My PSA’s have all been <.01 at a particular lab until recently it was .03. I called the lab and they indicated they changed kits and re-agents just before I had the test of.03. I had another PSA done at a different lab about the same time period and it came back as <.01. I'm obviously confused at the wide discrepancies here. Do you have an thought about this?
Thanks,
Jim
Jim,
First, be aware that the difference between <0.01 and <0.03 is actually not very significant, it is actually insignificant, so don't worry about it. Secondly, as you found out the different tests were performed with different kits, so the results are not comparable. In one of my support groups there is a man who has found a kit difference of almost 3.0, so don't worry, just make sure you have the same kit to be able to get a valid comparison. – Joel
I had Gleason score of 9pm 2007 dec. Mets to right seminal ves. Discussion with Dr P Carroll, UCSF. Had ext rads, hdrt, Lupron for two years. Six months ago .9 psa, last week 18.2 psa. recommendations? Thanks Bob
I am 73 and 14 years post radical prostatectomy. My PSA stayed around 0.2 or less until last February when it jumped to 0.7. In May 2011 it read 1.33. MRIs and bone scans do not reveal any localization. Radiation is being recommended. Would you agree?
Yes, but do it QUICKLY. Salvage radiation is most effective with a PSA of 1.0 or less post surgery, so do not delay. – Joel
I had positive margins following a RP Sep 10/01. My PSA recurred 18 months later and I finally went to Loma Linda for Proton Therapy salvage Dec 09 PSA 0.5. Don’t wait as 50% metastase after 8 years and 67% after 10 years according to a study I read.
My husband had robotic radical prostatectomy 4 weeks ago (9-16-2011). Diagnosis was PCa:T3a/N0/M0 (Gleason 4+5=9). Non focal, extraprostatic tumor extension was present. But no tumor present in seminal vesicles and no margin involvement was observed (pancytokeratin negative).Pre-surgery bone scan was negative. But he just had his first post-surgical PSA of 9.6! We see the urologist on Monday but what is going on?
Your husband’s cancer has already escaped the gland and he is what we call micro-metastatic. He needs to start hormone therapy and you should move is care to a medical oncologist who specializes in the treatment of prostate cancer. Also, join our on-line advanced prostate cancer support group at yahoo groups. – Joel
it will be seven years, that i had rp, a year later radiotherapy, psa at time of rp 6.60, after o.16, during, the radiothraoy 1.36, came to to o.o2 or 0.04 depends onthe machine. i went through through casodex, for a year, and two years ago started to raise. my gleason score was 4+ 3..
the psa, raised within three moths to 3.86, from 1.32. they started prednisona, and siclophosphamida, it came down to 0.83, i n six months,this same psa, has been maintained for the last 10 moths, and i still have 0.83.
all related analisis,sgot, bun, calcium etc are excelent.my oncologist treats me like this, 21 days continous of prednisona
and 14 day of 150 mg of ciclofofamida, 3 pills of 50mgs each for 14 days. i am 72 years old, in good health colesterol 160, ldl 73, hdl 87 etc. everything is great. i get a shot of lupron,
athree month duration injection and a zometa every three months. calcium 1200mgs per day, i am active and work.
my concern is what will happens, with these therapy,the hemograms are perfect,i konw i have a biochemical recurrence,
and this thing as far as i have read and my sons 4 of them, doctors, told
me this is a day by day affair.
what will happens with tihs therapy that has been so succesfull,i know they are new drugs on the tube, abiretaroneacetate, but this has proved so effciently, here in
my country, dominican rep. my surgery was donde in usa, and
all related checks also with interconsultant with american doctors. like i said wil this will be cured or so. my tumor was a t-2, small.sometimes, you sense tthat it will begin to
rise the psa, and that some cell activities, will increase, and you begin to wary a little.
i will appreciate, any information.
god bless you all with the same problem.
ing. fco. r. benzo
DEAR SR:
I AM UNDER THE SAME TGHERAPY, PRENIDSONA AND CYCLOPHOSPHAMIDA,
PMY PSA WAS 45 DAYS AGO , AFET ALMOST 10 MONTHS INTHE SAME VALUE O.83, IT CLIMBED TO 0.99, AFTER OUR REGULAR SCREENING EVERY 21 DAYS, ONCE AGAIN AFTER ANOTHER 21 DAYS IT CAME 1.07,
STILL VERY LOW AND DIFFERENCE IN 45 DAYS STILL IS O.24, SO
WHATY HAPPENS WITH THIS THERAPY SO SUCCESFUL IN MY COUNTRY.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR OPINION.
IAM UNDER THE STRICT VIGILANCE OF ONE OF THE OUSTANDING ONCOLOGYST IN THIS COUNTRY, WITH AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF RELATIONSHIP IN THE ONCOLOGY AREA.
Mr. Benzo,
I am sorry, but I am not familiar with your treatment. – Joel
AS I SAID BEFORE, YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT, BUT, THIS IS BECOMING A REGULAR THERAPY, THE USE OF LUPRON IS TO WHAT IS CALLLED IN MEDICAL TERMS A CASTRATION, IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT CANCER CELLS OR SO FEED THEMMSELVES FROM
THE MALE TESTOSTERONE., BUT THE USE OF CYCLOPHOSPHAMIDE IN
CONJUNCTION WITH PRE NIDSONA HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESFUL,
THIS THERAPY WHICH I AM UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF AN OUTSTANDING
UPTODATE DOR. NACY ALAM, AN ONCOLOGIST WELL AWARE WHAT IS GOING
ON HAS REDUCED MY PSA FROM 3.87 TO 0.33, HIGHLY SUPERVISED,
AND WITH THE SENSE OF WHAT IS GOIN ON, REMEMBER I HAVE A BIOCHEMCAL CHEMICAL RECURRENCE, AND WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS IN A CHEAPER MANNER, FIRST, UNDER THE SCRUTINY OF A HIGLY EXPERIENCED PHYSICIAN, DEALING WITH THIS MY CASE.
SO THE EXPERIENCE MY BE WORTH WITH ANYONE ELSE, IN AN ARTICLE
PUBLISHED BY THE USE OF CYCLOPHOSPHAMIDE AND PRENIDSONA,
THEY EMPHASIZED THE USED OF THIS, RATHER THAN USIN DOCETAXEL, ABIRETARONE ACETATE, OR ELSE.
I HOPE THE LORD HAS GIVEN ME THE WORDS TO HELP OTHERS, THE WAY MY DR.HAS HELPRED ME, AN CONFIDENT THAT THIS CAN WORK.
ING. FCO BENZO
I had a removal of my prostate 5/2020 Gleason score of 7 4+3
stage 3 the surgical report indicated positive margins. For the first year my psa was <.01for a year
the last 3 tests 11/2021 was .04 on 3/2022 .05 and now 7/15/2022 its ,.08 is this significant
what should i do