I have had a number of recent conversations with men with advanced prostate cancer who have been taking Abiraterone Acetate (Zytiga). The question that comes up in regular conversation is about knowing when Zytiga has stopped working or when Zytiga should be discontinued.
All the real guidance we have to answer this question comes from the clinical trials for Zytiga. These trials were all conducted in men with advanced prostate cancer who were both castrate resistant and had failed chemotherapy with Taxotere. In the trials Zytiga was not discontinued solely because the man’s PSA was increasing. Instead, Zytiga was considered to no longer be effective when three things happened:
1- They had a 25% increase in their PSA over the baseline which was taken at the beginning of the treatment.
2- They had radiographic evidence of disease progression as seen in a bone scan, MRI or CAT scan.
3- They had symptomatic progression as defined by the treating physician.
Zytiga was only discontinued when all three of the criteria were experienced, not because of any one of the items.
For men who have elected to use Zytiga prior to their use of chemotherapy (an increasingly common “off label” occurrence) there is no real road map to make this decision. A discussion with your doctor prior to starting Zytiga about when to discontinue should be made as you begin taking the drug. Certainly, the three criteria for the “on-label” use should be factored and given serious consideration when making this decision.
Joel T Nowak, M.A., M.S.W.
Thank you very much for sharing this piece of information with us. It is of great interest to me as I am currently on Zytiga and my oncologist is now facing the dilemma – to continue or not to continue the treatment. My PSA level was 275 when I was put on Zytiga (March, 30th), then it went up to 310 (April, 26th) and is now 380 (May, 24th). I am waiting for the MRI scan to check for any changes in the bone mets. I wonder if you have come across any information on the following:
1. What is the target testosterone level when on Zytiga? In my case it is now 0.09 nmol/l (down from 3.72), and I wonder whether bringing it down still further would matter or not.
2. What if the PSA level increases when on Zytiga but at a much lower velocity than without treatment? In my case PSA increased almost eight times in a month from 11.5 to 85.5 after my chemo was stopped and before I was put on Zytiga. Now my PSA is climbing up but at a much slower rate than compared to no treatment. Could this mean that Zytiga has not stopped the disease progression but slowed it down?
I would highly appreciate any comments on these two issues.
Pawel,
There are no testosterone targets for Zytia. It operates by limiting the production of androgens from three sources, from the testes, adrenal gland and the tumor itself. Once the cancer has become castrate resistant it only takes a miniscule level of testosterone to feed the tumors. Zytiga goes after all three of the production points, but it does not work for all men and it will stop working at some point of the disease progression.
I suspect that as you mentioned the zytiga has slowed down your disease progression, but it has not stopped it.
You should probably begin having a conversation with your oncologist about what might be your next options for treatment. Include in your conversation the possibility of starting Jevtana or beginning a clinical trial.
Joel
My husband has been on Zytiga since October 19, 2012. His PSA was at 1479 at start. It dropped down to 151.6 in one month. Dropped again to 106 the next month. Then it rose to 142.40 the next month. This month it rose to 219.40. His other blood tests show improvement in all areas. He hasn’t needed anything for pain in two months. His doctor wants to stop the Zytiga because of the rising PSA. Is this a good idea?
Michel – This is a decision that you need to make with your doctor. If it were me I would tend to continue for one to two more months with Zytiga and see what happens. If I did that I would be very much on top of my PSA tests and ready to change immediately if the numbers rise to quickly. Again, this is my personal opinion and I am not a doctor and have no formal medical training. – Joel
Hi. My Dad (aged 76) has been taking Zytiga for 6 months. His PSA levels dropped to start with, then about 3 or 4 months ago it suddenly doubled, then stabilised. The last PSA result had increased very slightly but the consultant has made the decision to stop the Zytiga immediatley because it is “no longer working”. My concern is that he has stopped it due to prescribing costs. My Dad’s latest MRI scan showed no change to one done just over a year ago. I would appreciate some advice here. He has now been prescribed Dexamethasone which I believe to be only a steroid drug(prior to this he was taking prednisalone along with the Zytiga). We feel that the consultant is giving up too soon.
Paula, – Given that it seems that Zytiga can stop and then start working again it is hard to know how long to wait. I would discuss this issue with the consultant and if you still want to continue the Zytiga try being forceful. – Joel
Thanks for your reply Joel. Let the battle commence!!
My father is miserable, the side effects of this drug are making the quality of life zero. What happens if you stop taking this . He is long to a new doctor in two days
my father is 61 year old and suffering from advance prostate cancer bone met. he is on zytiga from 20-05-2015 that time his psa was 40 . after 3 months again investigate his psa level goes rise up 153. what did i mean ?
i was thinking zytiga reduce his psa level but it not heppen but relief in pain and conditiob is much better than earlier …. what should i do…
Clearly, you should call your doctor immediately and discuss the situation. His PSA should be lower, not higher. I would ask the doctor to arrange for a new set of scans to compare them with his most recent prior scans. Also, speak to the doctor about changing from Zytiga to Xtandi or to chemotherapy. – Joel
I have recently discontinued Zytiga and switched to another drug. I have about 100 pill left over and would like to give them to someone who cannot afford the high cost of Zytiga. I know that doctors and pharmacists cannot do this for reasonable legal and medical reasons. But I would rather not simply dispose of them.
I HAVE JUST STARTED ZYTIGA 7DAYS NOW. PSA 74. FROM WHAT IM READING I WONDER IF THIS PILL IS ANY GOOD AT ALL.. I HAVE STAGE 4 BONE CANCER. DOING LAD EVERY WEEK UNTILL 27 OF JAN. WHWN I SEE THE DR.. REALLY SCARED AS TO MY FUTURE. HAVE NO PAIN. WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE MATTER PLEASE.
Don, 7 days is way to soon to decide if Zytiga is working. You need to give it time. I have been told that it really takes at least 3 months before one should decide that it isn’t working. You can ask your doctor if perhaps your next treatment should be chemotherapy? – Joel
My husband has been on zytiga since December 25, 2015. Started at 93 PSA went to 23 in a month. Lots of pain since day one. Mostly back pain.
My father is 71 years old. His PSA rose to 660 on 4 Nov 2015. He started ZYtiga from 21 Nov 2015. We did follow up PSA test on 21 Dec2015 and PSA was 1705! We were advised by doctors that the PSA test should be done after three months to get the true picture. His bone pain started to get better after taking Zytiga but feeling of nausea, hot flushes remained.
Around first week of Jan 2016 my father complained of cough, shortness of breath. We consulted Lung specialist and he said it could be mild heart failure and administered medicine for that. The symptom did not get better.
We did another PSA test today (10 Feb 2016), PSA is 3600!! We will be meeting an oncologist soon but would like your advise re the below:
1) From the PSA result it clearly indicate that Zytiga is not working for my father. Should we discontinue Zytiga? Or continue Zytiga with the Chemotherapy?
2) Before starting Chemotherapy what test should we do as benchmark? MRI Scan, Bone Scan, Pet Scan etc?
3) What Chemo drug is commonly administered at his stage and how (oral or IV?)
4) Is it likely that Pleural Effusion is caused by Lung Metastases? This is causing lot of discomfort as he is suffering from shortness of breath. What should be done about it? Will chemotherapy help relive this ?
Thanks
Hi
My father was diagnosed with a metastatic prostate cancer in June 2015 and started on hormonal therapy and chemotherapy .
He started to respond and PSA was going down from above 60 to around 3. Before the fourth chemotherapy session, PSA started to rise and they stopped chemotherapy and started on Zytiga. Now on it for 3 months but PSA is rising! They requested to do a new bone scan and CT scan.
So what are the possibilities? Should he stop Zytiga and start new medication? Will there be some other helpful options for his treatment?
Thank you
Your question is complex and you have not given enough information. For instance, what was his Gleason Score at Dx, what is his hormonal therapy, what was his testosterone level when his PSA started to climb back up (and what is it now), how long has he been on the Zytiga and what is his actual PSA history from pre diagnosis to the last test. Al of this information is vital to knowing what the next best step might be for your dad.
You and your dad should immediately join the online advanced prostate cancer support group. Go to http://bit.ly/1PSvuBR
Joel
Dear Joel,
For my Oncel Zytiga is clearly not working. He reacted “allergic” to the chemo therapy that was given him prior to Zytiga. He is so scared of going back to Chemo. Is there anything else he can do? Provenge? Dexamenthasone? I am only his goddaughter, who loves him dearly, don’t know his history very well.
Hazel,
I don’t know what chemotherapy drug had been given to your God Father, but if it was docetaxel he could consider it is possible that he is actually allergic to the solvents used in the manufacturing of the drug and not the drug itself. I would suggest that he discuss with his doctor looking to the breast cancer chemotherapy world and finding a taxane chemotherapy that is made using a different solvent. Of course, when they give it to him it needs to be very slow and he should be heavily pre-treated with Benadryl or a similar drug. The doctor will need to stay close in case he responds negatively. Provenge is also a possibility, but if he is already vert sick it might not work for him. He can also look at Xtandi (enzaludamide).
Joel
Zytiga someone please help me I have been on the drug this is month four my ct and bone scan were stable 4 weeks ago .then my psa went 4 to 7 6 weeks later it went to 9 next 6 weeks stood st 9 then 6 weeks later it went to 8 I went today and ,y psa wa 22 going out of my mind now dr say repeat ft and bone scans there only 6 weeks old she said stall on meds till next bone scan in 2 weeks scared upsets don’t no what to to did anyone hear of this please help me vinny
Joel this is my story I was told I had contained postate cancer so I had the operation after the postate was removed the dr said everything fine than they did a psa test and it was 2 so I was sent to oncoligist.she claimed that even tho my ct before my operation said degenerative changes on my forth rib.so they did operation. Right after operation he told me everything was great all my tests were negative.see you in 6 months that never came to be.i left some blood and in 2 weeks I get a letter to see oncoligist.she clams that there were some mets by my rib. So I said why was it degenerate finding before operation and after the operstion they were mets .trying to explain my case a bit.so I went in with a psa of 2 after operation it still came back 2 .so thank god since one year and a half after my operation my ct has no changes and all my origins are clear.but my bone scan shows mets by forth and sixth rib and some mets by t 8 which was shrinking now focal uptake in sacral lesion..the oncoligist said I hope every ct and bone scan stays like this.ok iam at the point where everything is stable but my psa keeps going up. So year and a half ago I was put on luperon and casadex. My start of this horrible cancer..so for 8 months I was cancer free psa was .o5 than I went for my check up psa was4 .stoped casadex. Was put on xandi my psa went up to 6 another 6 weeks it went up again.more bone scan and ct just minor changes in bone scan stopped xandi.i was put on zytiga and predisone
after 6 weeks it went to 7 another 6 weeks it went to 9 another 6 weeks9 again another 6 weeks it went to 8 another 6 weeks that brings us to date as of Friday it went up to 12.she told me stay on the meds another 2 weeks to see if it goes up or down but I want to repeat ct and bone scan. I said dr I just had them done almost 3 months ago.so upset for I don’t no why the meds are not working .or are they working for my mets because there better.i was told to call Monday March 28. And she will tell me what she wants to do Joel sorry for writing so much but you really are kind.i feel ok.on top of everything else I have low platelets so I had to go for bone marrow test .so it came back lymphoma that oncoligist said you probaly have this 20 years it not active andl lets hope it stays that way.so that was good news .and now I just feel the zytiga is not working.so this will be the third Harmon treatment iam trying.ok you no a bit about me and at the start my Gleason score was 4 plus 4 so my Gleason score was 8 .when I had operation.the hardest part is when any mets hit your bone they call it 4 th stage enough to scare you to death.have you heard anyone on zytiga go up and down on there psa test.iam praying there are no changes on my next ct and bone scan.thanks for help if you get a minute email or post. Vincent
Vincent,
So sorry to hear about your miserable experience. I do suggest that you seek out a second opinion from another medical oncologist.
Joel
Vinny,
As I suggested earlier you should get a second opinion asap. – Joel
Joel, been taking Zytiga for about 7 months. It took two months to kick in. My psa over the last 3 moths has risen slightly each month. It is still relatively low but the slow rise is a worry. Do you think Zytiga is begging to sop working. Gary
I was diagnosed with prostate cancer 5 years ago Gleason 4&5 with metastasis to seminal vescicole I had radiotherapy with my PSA 19 after few months I had chemotherapy after few months my PSA has risen 27 offered abiretarone but my PSA still going up in the meantime I had u 223 for two sessions they had to stop because u 223 is not compatible with abiretarone my PSA still going up and they will reastart my remainder of 223 and possible another butt of chemo do I have to have chemo again I did very well with chemo only minor side effects but no improvement on mi PSA
Kind regards
Marino
Hello Joel.
I have been taking Zytiga since January of 2016. My PSA had started doubling. After a month of Zytiga and Prednisone I went to 9 and following month was 16. My urologist then changed the Prednisone to Dexamethasone. The next month went down to 3 PSA. The following down below 1. I also take Lupron every 3 months. I missed 4 days of dexamethasone due to pharmacy error prior to blood test Nov 2016. Blood test showed spike of PSA . The next month after resuming my dexamethasone the PSA went down again. So for those on prednisone have your oncologist or urologist try the switch. It may work for others.
Hello,
I hope this post find you well. I am deeply concerned about my father and wanted to get your inputs. My father has started his Zytiga treatment with prednisone about 4 months ago. His PSA goes up and down but his Alkaline phosphatase has been going down. What is worrying me is the following : he lost a lot of weight and feels weak. Furthermore, his appetite is not as it used to.
Have any of you experienced this ? It pains my heart to see my Super Man in this situation.
Any feedback helps.
Thank you
James
i can’t get zytiga at this time my psa has risen to 31, testosterone to 38. my oncologist said’s start provenge and after the treatment start back with zyitga if able to find it.also continue taking the im shot of lupron/ligard shots. we have no specialist in this field other ithen seattle and from where i live its a very long drive.i had radiation in 2008
how long before a reply?
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Had gleason score of 7. Prostate removed May31 2018. Bone scan clean but cancer was in left side lymph node. Did not spread to seminal vesicles. PSA 7 weeks after surgery was undetectable. Doctors want me to have lupron shot every three months and zytiga pills as well as radiation. Not sure this is a good idea. Your thoughts?
I will answer for my husband…..one year ago he was diagnosed with a very aggressive prostate cancer with mets in most of his bones, including his skull. His PSA at this time was 47.5. He had had a PSA test in February that was 14 and by the time we got another in August it had jumped to the 47.5. We decided we needed some really major help and our kids said the University Hospitals are the best for treatment….so we call the University of Miami and were lucky enough to get into the Sylvester Cancer Ctr at Jackson Memorial Hospital, usually you have to wait 6-8 months but there was a cancellation and he got the appointment. When we arrived he had already had one Lupron Depot shot (22.5) . Our oncologist recommended Zytiga with Predisone….we went for it after a lot of online investigating. My husband’s PSA is now 1.2….he has absolutely no side effects. Six months ago his oncologist put him on Prolia….again we did our online research and were very hesitant about this injection. But considering the choices, we went for it. Absolutely no side effects again and his latest PET scan showed the bone mets as “resolved”…..our decision when we started this journey was that we would live with cancer, not die from it. We did become members of LifeCircle in Switzerland and that has brought us some peace. Paying for the Zytiga is painful….we make $3000 over the limit for help, we also pay for the Lupron and the Prolia….but he is alive, well and still smiling. No pain but a lot of exhaustion and some depression. Enjoys a glass or two of wine every day and has a good appetite. We are enjoying what is left of the good times……I wish you all the best.
Hi,
I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, two years ago. I had a TURP, so that i would urinate freely, and then i was put on Lupron and Casodex. Was taken of the Casodex after one year. PSA went up and i started using Zytiga. After 4 months PSA is going up again. Any suggestions ?
Raynold
My father was diagnosed w prostate and bone cancer in 2016 he has been on zytiga since sept 2018 almost 6 months now (PSA reached normal range ). He is suffering from the side effects of zytiga and cortisone (extra fatigue, water retention and short breath). His doctor advised him to stop zytiga for 2 months and then measure PSA level. Is that ok ?
I just wanted to post here that I’m currently going through the same issues with my father. He had a radical prostatectomy (LRP) in 2016. Gleason score 4+4, psa undetectable until late 2017. It started to rise to about 2-4 or so. He had radiation therapy and it went back down to 0.02. In late 2018(Dec) his psa rose to 230. Had the hospital do bone and CT scans of the chest/abdominal/pelvic area.
Unfortunately it seems after the LRP the prostate cancer spread to his peritoneal area (omentom). It seems in retrospect that it was spread during the LRP to the abdominal cavity. Anyhow, he is now on Zytiga for about 2 months. His PSA dropped to 13.1 in late Jan 2019 and 9.1 in early Feb 2019. Awaiting latest PSA results now. Just wanted to wish everyone luck with Zytiga and any other treatments for themselves or their loved ones. Life expectancy for my dad is about 4 years but nobody knows. I hope Zytiga continues to help the cancer stay put. He is 66 next week.
Jay
Hello Dear Doctors and friends from Malecare my father (73 years old) had a cancer in prostate gland and was removed since 2014 but unfortunately the cancer was spreaded to the adjacent bone join, after removing his testicles both, the Doctors describe both radiotherapy and Zytiga for him while the PSA was so high, now after keeping the PSA under control to normal rates, it returned to get higher and higher 1 and now 1.6 the doctor increased the zytiga dose but it didnt work form him (he took 4 tablets per day) and the levels got higher and higher now 1.8 , the doctor described the chemotherapy for him instead of zytiga in fact of 9 dosage in two months and then he will measure the PSA again, my question is there any other known therapy instead of the chemotherapy and if not is it safe while he has a heart problem and diabetes to get the chemotherapy and what if itdidnt work for him ? especially i heared that he had also a problem with the lymph node. please answer me and i am very grateful to human like you.
sincere wish to you all to get better soon may God cure you all
Hello ,
My dad 81 years , was diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer with nodular and bone metastatic . when diagnosed his psa was 24, gleason 8. He started for one month Casodex, and then followed by Decapeptyl 11.25 % injection every three months; it went well from September 2018 until June 2019 the psa dropped from 24 to 3 and then started rising in May 2019 until it reached by September 2019 to almost 14. We are in a dilemma shall we start chemotherapy or zytiga; 2 oncologists advised that zytiga would work and two others detailed that given the good health of my dad they would start chemo and benefit from this treatment opportunity. I want advise on this and whether i start with Zytiga and then chemotherapy.
What are the side effects of Zytiga , as prescribed 2 pill s in the morning with prednisone. I am afraid to start for him chemo when he is resisting the idea,.
Thank You for the advise.
Helpful to hear from other cancer patients and their treatment and results
I was told I had untreatable stage 4 prostate cancer Nov 2019
PSA was 59
Had 35 days for radiation in Jan/Feb 2020
Been in Zytiga since Jan 2020. Feb PSA was 29
Started CBD’s / RSO in Jan.
March 9th PSA was >.1
Been at >.1 since March
Wondering how long to stay on Zytiga?
Diagnosed in 2000, age 47, with Gleason score of 8 (3+5). Had radical prostatectomy in 20i0 and targeted external beam radiation in 2001. My PSA until 2010 was undetectable. Started taking Casodex in 2014 until 2018 when the Casodex started to affect my lungs. Upon this discovery in 2018, I learned my cancer had metastasized in my chest lymph nodes. In 2019 I started Eligard and Zytiga with prednisone treatments and my current PSA is <0.052. My question is what will happen when I stop these treatments which will end 6/2021?
I was originally diagnosed with a Gleason 7 (3+4) and had Lupron and Radiation sequentially for a total of 1 year. PSA was very low for 10 years and then began to rise in a short period of time to 4.
Zytiga and Prednisone daily with Lupron every 3 months. PSA dropped to 0.02 in short order.
Zytiga is costing me $166 a month down from $225 last year.
I am tired and have lost a lot of muscle mass
I will be 74 this spring
Treated by Dana Farber Cancer Institute in Boston