On the advanced prostate cancer online support group there have been some questions raised about how we know when drugs like Zytiga and Xtandi have stopped working. Knowing this as soon as possible is important so that you can quickly move on to the next treatment without giving the prostate cancer time to progress and strengthen itself. On the other hand, we don’t want to abandon a treatment prematurely and not receive all possible benefits it could provide.
In a simplistic and not real world we would assume that changes in your PSA score would be directly linked to changes in disease progression as shown on scans. In other words, as the PSA goes down so does the disease progression and similarly, as the PSA rises disease progression also advances.
A number of people have reported that while their PSA has declined and still continues to decline their scans have not been positive, actually their scans have shown continued and significant disease progression!
The million dollar question is has their treatment failed and should they move on to the next treatment or wait it out and see? This is a great and perplexing question without a simple answer.
I spoke with doctor Daniel Petrylak from Yale University and posed this issue to him. His response was very interesting and very informative. Simply he told me that this is a sign of drug failure. However, he went on to say that there are some fine points to his conclusion. He said that if the man has only one or two new lesions (bone) on the first followup scan and the man’s condition was otherwise stable he would probably recommend a followup scan in a one or two months to determine if this was just a result of a flare. If the new lesions were in soft tissue instead of bone he would not bother with a followup scan and immediately move the man on to another treatment.
To be clear, Dr. Petrylak’s suggestion for another scan is only for the first followup scan. Any additional changes in later scans are clearly a sign of drug failure no matter whether the lesions were in bone or soft tissue.
I would like to thank Dr. Petrylak for his assistance. In the interest of full disclosure he is my primary oncologist and I would recommend him to any man with advanced prostate cancer. He is at Yale University Hospital in New Haven Ct., but he also sees patients at Greenwich Hospital in Ct.
Joel T Nowak, M.A., M.S.W.
zytiga and xtandi have both failed my husband and know he is scheduled for chemo.
Mary Lou,
Good luck. Many men find that chemotherapy is not difficult and that it works for them for an extended time period. – Joel
My father who is 83 Years of Age and cannot be put on Chemotherapy. First 7 months he was on Zytiga. Initially it seemed it was working but than his PSA went nuts ( Peaked at 600).
We moved him to Xtandi, right away it dropped to 198 and stayed at that level for few months before going back up again. ( latest results 520). Doctors nurse feels there is no other options at this age, chemo is out due to his age. In short it seems like he was asking me to sit home and wait for him to live whatever days he has left. I am not willing to give up but exploring other options.
Suggestions ? Anyone in similar boat with any alternate treatment ?
My Dad 89 initially responded well to xtandi. PSA from 378 to 176. Climbing again, presently 360. Not a candidate for chemo according to oncologist. Amazingly healthy and mobile for his age. Doctors always assured us he’d pass from something other than his prostate cancer. Turns out they may be incorrect. They ceased Xtandi looking into Zytiga .