Recently, I received two separate questions about both low dose ketoconazole (LDK) and high dose ketoconacole (HDK). For both of these men with castrate resistant advanced prostate cancer, their PSA scores continued to rise, despite their using keto.
Even when taken properly, not all men experience a positive effect from the drug (a decline in their PSA). Those individuals who do experience a positive effect will usually not have this effect for long periods of time, however the time that the keto does control the PSA is well worth the effort to take the drug (ketoconazole has not been approved by the FDA for use by men with castrate resistant prostate cancer, so its use is “off label”).
When I asked them how they were taking the drug neither of them indicated that they had received any special instructions from their doctors! They made no efforts to have an acidic stomach and they both were causal about their dosing schedules. Both of these men were doomed to fail ketoconazole therapy.
There are usually two common mistakes made when taking keto:
1- They had not paid proper attention to insuring that they had adequate absorption of the drug. To have proper absorption you must have an acidic environment in your stomach, ideally a ph under 4.0. Chin et al used coca-cola classic along with the keto to increase the acidity of the stomach in his subjects (Note: The pH of blood is about 7.0 while the pH of Coca-Cola Classic is 2.5, Pepsi 2.5, Diet Coca-Cola 3.2 and Diet Pepsi 3.2, Diet Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.0. You can also try increasing the gastric acidity by taking chewable vitamin C (1000mg or more) to increase your stomach’s acidity.)
You should also avoid acid blocking drugs such as Axid, Zantac or Prilosec as they will also buffer your stomach so that it will not be adequately acidic for proper absorption.
A serum concentration of ketoconazole of 4ug/mL is required to achieve a castrate level of testosterone so if you are a no-responder
a blood test might be in order to see if you are adequately absorbing the keto.
2- Another common problem is that Keto is very quickly cleared from the body, so your scheduled dosages must be STRICTLY adhered to otherwise you will lose any advantages. Usual doses are every 8 hours, but this time period must be strictly adhered to at all times.
Joel T Nowak, M.A., M.S.W.
I understand that Keto won’t work for all of us, but every effort should be made to use it properly because in the instances where it works, it can be very helpful. I have a very agressive disease, one month doubling time, and failed ADT with Taxotere after about a year. Started Keto and PSA immediately went down to lower than before; nadir=.2 and it lasted for 18 months. My Psa just started going back up in the fall. Beware of alcohol use with Keto and there is information on the net that grapefruit undermines it’s effectiveness.
I’d like to reiterate the — potential — efficacy of ketoconazole. After failing Lupron/casodex (I am ommitting a lot of medical history), and having a doubling time of 1-2 months (Gleason 8), Ketoconazole eradicated my PSA for nearly 3 years (and going…). Note this is NOT TYPICAL, but does reinforce that Keto can be quite effective even if lupron/AAs have failed.
Also, note the the stomach can be a rather acidic place, meaning exogenous acid may not be necessary – but it can’t hurt.
I know Keto worked for me. It kept my castrate resistant advanced prostate cancer in check, PSA less than 4, for over three years. I started with low dose for the first 3 years, then high dose for a year. Since I stopped Keto last Jun, my PSA has risen FOR THE FIRST TIME above six and was 63 in mid Jan 2011. I am now taking Provenge. From what I read, I don’t expect my PSA to drop with the Provenge. [Without Dr’s recommendation, I did do high dose Keto from 17 Dec 2010 (PSA 52 on 9 Dec 2010) until 7 Jan 2011 when my Dr took me off Keto, and got a reduction of PSA to 40.44 (5 Jan 2011). A check on 17 Jan 2011 shows PSA had risen back to 63.2.
I’m thinking I might get significant benefit from going back on Keto after I finish Provenge on 10 Mar 2011 IF my PSA doesn’t go down significantly. Do any of you have experience in this area? I want to add that I have not taken any chemo drugs for my prostate cancer. I did have Hairy Cell Leukemia in 1998 treated with cladribine. With S Landis’s comment under “ONE PERSON’S EXPERIENCE WITH PROVENGE”, I think Keto might be a better option than chemotherapy!
I am involved in a clinical trial with Keto/Hydrocortizone/Dutasteride, and after one month the addition of Lapatimide. Fourth day without any major side effects yet, but we’ll see. PSA is 15.13 but recent bone scan shows some new progression resulting in the trial. No other chemo yet. Had Provenge 6 months ago and the overall effect, though delayed was worth it. Keto-400mg/3times a day, Hydrocortizone-30mg/AM, 10mg/PM, Dutasteride-10mg/with first dose of Hydrocortizone. Hope it works!!!!
After 28 days on the above trial my PSA has dropped from 15 to a resounding 3.0. Quite dramatic! I have started the Lapatinib and the side effects are dry mouth, a little nausea and somewhat of a metallic aftertaste. Received a biopsy before starting second phase with Lapatinib and another due after 4 weeks to see if any changes are evident. A lot of pills every day, but it may just be worth it. We’ll see. Misspelled Lapatinib above.
Have you heard about the nanogold and eceg( chemical in greentea) as a cure to prostate cancer. While it is brand new science I found it rather interesting and wanted to share that with you.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120716152300.htm
Also I have been looking into some angiogenesis inhibitors and it appears both intraconazole and thiabendazole both have this effect. Maybe that is the reason ketoconazole is used. What are your thoughts about this?
Corey – Don’t confuse the nanogold and eceg with a prostate cancer cure. The experiments you referred to were solely in an animal model which more often than not doesn’t translate into humans. I am not saying that it will not translate, only that there is yet to be any evidence that it will work in a human. If it does translate it may not be more effective than other anyother primary treatment and certainly will not “cure” prostate cancer that has left the gland. – Joel
I believe “eceg” mentioned above, should be EGCG.